Comments on: Dear Bill Keller http://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/ The 'new media' evolution according to a millennial photographer. Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:20:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: My Change of Heart 101 » Emily Kostic -http://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1095 My Change of Heart 101 » Emily Kostic - Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:21:31 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1095 [...] know a lot more about new media and the internet than older people. Yes, I believe that. However, few of us are in a position where we are able to lecture older people about what they know or don’t [...] [...] know a lot more about new media and the internet than older people. Yes, I believe that. However, few of us are in a position where we are able to lecture older people about what they know or don’t [...]

]]> By: Design says to Shovelware: ‘I need more whitespace’ — A Design Critique of TIME | byJoeyBakerhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1062 Design says to Shovelware: ‘I need more whitespace’ — A Design Critique of TIME | byJoeyBaker Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:02:23 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1062 [...] }); I took two lessons from Time’s Q&A with Bill Keller. The first, outlined in Dear Bill Keller, was intended be a short reaction to the piece, that turned into a 1600 word [...] [...] }); I took two lessons from Time’s Q&A with Bill Keller. The first, outlined in Dear Bill Keller, was intended be a short reaction to the piece, that turned into a 1600 word [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-07-13 « Reportr.nethttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1060 links for 2009-07-13 « Reportr.net Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:13:20 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1060 [...] Dear Bill Keller | byJoeyBaker "I tired of seeing an older generation of managers ruin this business for the rest of us." (tags: journalism media newspapers newmedia nytimes iran billkeller) [...] [...] Dear Bill Keller | byJoeyBaker "I tired of seeing an older generation of managers ruin this business for the rest of us." (tags: journalism media newspapers newmedia nytimes iran billkeller) [...]

]]> By: Joey Bakerhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1151 Joey Baker Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:19 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1151 Robert – I appreciate you taking the time to read the post, it obviously stirred up some strong emotions for you. I'd be happy to debate the merits of this post.<br><br>It's certainly arrogant of me to assume that I might give a gentleman with 40 years of experience some advice.<br><br>On the other hand, I strongly believe that I do know <em>something</em> about the way this new paradigm is working. My goal in this post was to encourage Mr. Keller to take the time to look some of that new information. Robert – I appreciate you taking the time to read the post, it obviously stirred up some strong emotions for you. I'd be happy to debate the merits of this post.

It's certainly arrogant of me to assume that I might give a gentleman with 40 years of experience some advice.

On the other hand, I strongly believe that I do know something about the way this new paradigm is working. My goal in this post was to encourage Mr. Keller to take the time to look some of that new information.

]]> By: Robert Peebleshttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1150 Robert Peebles Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:43:50 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1150 You're an arrogant little know-nothing, and a poor writer at best. Do the world a favor and stop publishing your thoughts. You're an arrogant little know-nothing, and a poor writer at best. Do the world a favor and stop publishing your thoughts.

]]> By: joeybakerhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1059 joeybaker Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:55:19 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1059 Robert – I appreciate you taking the time to read the post, it obviously stirred up some strong emotions for you. I'd be happy to debate the merits of this post. While it's certainly arrogant of me to assume that I might give a gentleman with 40 years of experience some advice. On the other hand, I strongly believe that I do know <em>something</em> about the way this new paradigm is working. My goal in this post was to encourage Mr. Keller to take the time to look some of that new information. Robert – I appreciate you taking the time to read the post, it obviously stirred up some strong emotions for you. I'd be happy to debate the merits of this post. While it's certainly arrogant of me to assume that I might give a gentleman with 40 years of experience some advice. On the other hand, I strongly believe that I do know something about the way this new paradigm is working. My goal in this post was to encourage Mr. Keller to take the time to look some of that new information.

]]> By: Robert Peebleshttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1058 Robert Peebles Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:50 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1058 You're an arrogant little know-nothing, and a poor writer at best. Do the world a favor and stop publishing your thoughts. You're an arrogant little know-nothing, and a poor writer at best. Do the world a favor and stop publishing your thoughts.

]]> By: jeffsondermanhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 jeffsonderman Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:12:26 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1057 Great post. The NYT would do well to stop telling everyone how important and essential they are, and start showing us. Great post. The NYT would do well to stop telling everyone how important and essential they are, and start showing us.

]]> By: joeybakerhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1056 joeybaker Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:20:11 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1056 Well phrased Cody. The NYT newsroom <em>is gorgeous</em> — the image of a journalistic palace indeed.<br><br>I myself struggled with the idea that the older generations were ruining the business for the rest of us. To my mind, you can either a) completely forget about the 'old media' and start fresh, or b) reform the old system to work in the new.<br><br>The advantage to reform, is that you get a huge infrastructure that is nothing to sniff at. Everything from accounting departments, gorgeous newsrooms, people who know people, server rooms, and so on. It's really inefficient, (and emotionally hard) to throw all that away.<br><br>Of course, all this infrastructure comes with all the downsides of this post.<br><br>I want there to be a way for us to get both advantages, but I will admit, I'm increasingly coming around to your point of view. Well phrased Cody. The NYT newsroom is gorgeous — the image of a journalistic palace indeed.

I myself struggled with the idea that the older generations were ruining the business for the rest of us. To my mind, you can either a) completely forget about the 'old media' and start fresh, or b) reform the old system to work in the new.

The advantage to reform, is that you get a huge infrastructure that is nothing to sniff at. Everything from accounting departments, gorgeous newsrooms, people who know people, server rooms, and so on. It's really inefficient, (and emotionally hard) to throw all that away.

Of course, all this infrastructure comes with all the downsides of this post.

I want there to be a way for us to get both advantages, but I will admit, I'm increasingly coming around to your point of view.

]]> By: joeybakerhttp://byjoeybaker.com/2009/07/11/dear-bill-keller/comment-page-1/#comment-1055 joeybaker Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:20:11 +0000 http://byjoeybaker.com/?p=1277#comment-1055 Well phrased Cody. The NYT newsroom <em>is gorgeous</em> — the image of a journalistic palace indeed.<br><br>I myself struggled with the idea that the older generations were ruining the business for the rest of us. To my mind, you can either a) completely forget about the 'old media' and start fresh, or b) reform the old system to work in the new.<br><br>The advantage to reform, is that you get a huge infrastructure that is nothing to sniff at. Everything from accounting departments, gorgeous newsrooms, people who know people, server rooms, and so on. It's really inefficient, (and emotionally hard) to throw all that away.<br><br>Of course, all this infrastructure comes with all the downsides of this post.<br><br>I want there to be a way for us to get both advantages, but I will admit, I'm increasingly coming around to your point of view. Well phrased Cody. The NYT newsroom is gorgeous — the image of a journalistic palace indeed.

I myself struggled with the idea that the older generations were ruining the business for the rest of us. To my mind, you can either a) completely forget about the 'old media' and start fresh, or b) reform the old system to work in the new.

The advantage to reform, is that you get a huge infrastructure that is nothing to sniff at. Everything from accounting departments, gorgeous newsrooms, people who know people, server rooms, and so on. It's really inefficient, (and emotionally hard) to throw all that away.

Of course, all this infrastructure comes with all the downsides of this post.

I want there to be a way for us to get both advantages, but I will admit, I'm increasingly coming around to your point of view.

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